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Post by sciatrix on Oct 22, 2010 21:12:16 GMT -5
And why it sucks so fucking hard.
There is sometimes pressure in the asexual community to be a "gold star" asexual. That is, to have no quality about oneself that might allow some person to challenge our asexuality.
The unassailable asexual is completely neurotypical and has never had any health issues, physical or mental. They are cis, indifferent, between the ages of twenty and forty, and sex-positive. They do not masturbate but have no history of any kinds of sexual problems. They have never been abused in any way.
There are very few of them in this world. I'll be honest: I am not one of them. For starters, my autism and history of depression knock me straight out, as do my touch issues. So does the fact that I have had bloodwork done which showed me to have abnormal hormone levels, most notably sky-high levels of testosterone. (Not that any of these things are actually related to my sexuality, outside of the minds of concern trolls.)
But there is pressure, sometimes, especially when engaging in visibility work, to play up one's "level" of asexuality. And it comes from the community as well as from ourselves. So here is my question: how do we deal with this pressure? It can be silencing, especially when it comes from within the community.
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Post by you*hear*but*do*you*listen on Oct 23, 2010 9:53:08 GMT -5
You know, I've never realized it, but you're exactly right that there is this ideal of an "unassailable asexual" who has no physical/biological reason to not be a "real" [gag] asexual. Let's see how I hold up...
Neurotypical: never been tested, but there's no frakking way I'm neurotypical No Physical Health Issues: don't pass this one either; there are utterly non-sexual things wrong with me, but there's the dysmenorrhea and the sexual anhedonia too No Mental Health Issues: hahaha...hahahahaha...HAHAHAHAHAAAAA Cisgendered: oh hey, I pass this Indifferent: errrrrrr no Between Twenty and Forty: I'm twenty, but I still get "you're too young to know" Sex-Positive: kinda Nonlibidoist: yes Sexual Problems: fail; sexual anhedonia No Abuse: fail; have been emotionally abused
I've definitely felt that pressure to act like/be a "gold star" asexual--can I quote you on that IRL?--when doing visibility work. And yeah, I can feel it coming from the asexual community. (I also think this thread might have not gone over so well on AVEN and am really glad it's here; none of the aces I know IRL have pressured me that way.)
So how do I handle the pressure? I give it a one-fingered salute and don't make any attempt to pretend I'm "unassailable." When talking about asexuality or doing any visibility work, I tend to define a lot of the terms used in the community and freely admit that I fall under the repulsed (well, in terms of having sex with a guy) category, and if they ask me if I'm mentally ill or have Asperger's, I have no problem saying yes. Sometimes I even volunteer the reasons why I'm not a gold star asexual so I have the opportunity to say "Do these things cause me to be asexual? Absolutely not. And even if they did, who the hell cares as long as I'm happy?"
I'm aware that this kind of "fuck you, I don't need to pretend" attitude might be kind of hard for most people. And frankly, the fact that I've been emotionally abused and am used to people telling me horrible things helps me be unafraid of bad responses and weird pressures. Ideally, somebody needs to smack the everybody-needs-to-be-a-freakin'-perfect-Super-Ace idiots over the head with a Clue Bat and explain that very few "gold star" asexuals exist, so why would we want to defend our validity using a model that's so uncommon and unrealistic?
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Post by ocelotofdoom on Oct 23, 2010 20:37:56 GMT -5
Dude, there's a word for this concept. Awesome. Well, not awesome in terms of the fact that this mentality exists, but I'd wanted the words to describe this phenomenon before and now someone has made them up. Yay.
Anyways, here's how much I fail the unassailable asexual test:
-Neurotypical: I've been diagnosed with Asperger's. So... yeah, fail. -No Physical Health Issues: Oh man, where do I start... cleft lip and palate, ectodermal dysplasia, hypothyroidism, and chronic ear, eye and digestive system problems. I also used to have a brain tumor that caused seizures and a serious bleeding condition. -No Mental Health Issues: Probably not. Even if I don't have PTSD proper, I have some subclinical variant thereof. -Cisgendered: ...Probably. Mostly. Something. I'm not trans, but I don't particularly feel attached to the female gender role either. -Indifferent: Nope. Very, VERY repulsed. -Between Twenty and Forty: I'm 22, so I pass this one. -Sex-Positive: For the most part. Some things, like infidelity and the way that sex is conceptualized in mainstream culture, bother me. The act itself, between truly consenting individuals, does not. Sex-pushing, however, bothers me immensely. -Nonlibidoist: Mostly. Small amount of drive and high tendency towards sensory overstimulation. -Sexual Problems: Not medically, no. -No Abuse: I've had a lot of emotional abuse from various sources, and I've had a ton of bodily violation in the form of non-consensual invasive medical procedures.
I would also say there might be another prong or factor in this, and that is that the "unassailable asexual" has to be conventionally physically attractive, to ward off all those "You're just saying that because you can't get laid!" comments. I would not pass this part of the test either.
Needless to say I don't pass as "normal" very well. I don't bother to try. Nothing is expected of heterosexuals in order for them to be able to identify as they like without question, so I don't see why I or any other asexuals (or any other queer people for that matter) should hold asexuality or any other orientation to a higher standard. True equality demands that people be able to identify as best fits them no matter who they are, and what that identity happens to be, and true equality is what we should be fighting for without resorting to opportunistic tactics that involve excluding others from the community as "too weird."
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Post by sciatrix on Oct 24, 2010 6:55:50 GMT -5
Well, it was an AVEN thread made me think about it again, and it was my extremely pissed-off reaction to that which made me post this here. It's all recursive. (And yes, by all means, steal the term! I borrowed it from someone else discussing lesbian identities anyway, it's not like I coined it specially. ) I actually haven't had so many problems with it outside of the community, funnily enough. Probably because the people I'm out to tend not to try to deny me on anything but age or "you haven't met the right person yet," and most of the particular ways in which I fail aren't immediately obvious at first glance. But within the community... and even outside of it, on the internet... dude, I failed the hormone test. I don't think people realize how much pressure there is to have a normal hormone profile until you don't. Even when I know exactly what it is--I have PCOS, which is common in both the general population of women and in my own family, and which has nothing to do with sexuality. The age thing, though... I mean, yeah, twenty might even be a little low for a cap there. I feel sometimes like you're never old enough to say "yes, this is my identity" and not be challenged over it. It's that goddamn "late bloomer" stuff. Maybe it's that I started identifying as asexual very young, at fifteen, but I have been told by people--mostly in the community, again--that I was too young to know for sure for a long time. And that's definitely colored my attitude to younger asexuals, which tends to go heavily towards "if this is what you feel defines you now, use the label for as long as it is useful to you." And ocelot, total second on that "conventionally physically attractive" thing. Which is irritating, because for me half the fun of being asexual to begin with is that any time I put any effort into my appearance it's purely for me. Why do we need a new pressure to look nice again? And especially for women, why do we still have to play the fucking beauty game? (Edited because I hit send too early.)
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Post by you*hear*but*do*you*listen on Oct 28, 2010 13:33:53 GMT -5
What pisses me off the most about odd hormones being cited as a "cause" of asexuality is that abnormal hormones levels can affect sex drive, yes...but not sexual ATTRACTION. Why are people stupid...?
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Post by sciatrix on Oct 28, 2010 15:17:51 GMT -5
I have no idea. You see the exact same issue come up when depression is brought up--people mistake the drop in sex drive for a loss of sexual attraction. Which doesn't actually make sense when you consider what asexuality is, but it's very common amongst people who ostensibly should know better.
This is the thing that confuses me most, though: Why is the emphasis on being inherently someone who refutes these kinds of attacks by existing, when it could be on providing decisive deconstructions of the attacks to begin with? I mean, your point about the hormone levels is awesome. Why isn't that the standard response instead of "but asexuals' hormones are all normal!"
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Post by murray on Oct 29, 2010 19:20:24 GMT -5
I don't pass.
And yes, this is a problem for me. I would like to be more open for visibility purposes, but frankly, that's just not my way. I'm too tired for the explanations, and I don't think anybody really needs to know about my sexuality or lack thereof. But it's annoying having to deal with the additional outside discouragement from this tenet that says that I am not good enough to be a public asexual. I am too young, I am female, I have mental health trouble, etc.
It especially pisses me off because lately I have been dealing with the forcibly ingrained and completely false idea that even though I am extremely intelligent and self-aware, because I am technically a teenager, all my thoughts and feelings are therefor invalid and/or exaggerated (particularly funny because I struggle with apathy). This idea interferes with my rational thought processes, and I want it gone.
Likewise, the idea that I or anybody else shouldn't be willing to be open about my/their asexuality because I'm/they're ____ and I'm/they're not ____ is incorrect, and should also be banished.
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Post by virescence on Oct 30, 2010 11:27:24 GMT -5
I don't make it either (though only just). Although I'd wonder if being romantic is also a necessary trait to be a "gold star" asexual (or, possibly, being specifically heteroromantic?) At times I've felt like I shouldn't put myself out there as An Example Of Asexuality because I'm aromantic, though I don't know if that's a general thing or just me. I would add the "conventionally physically attractive" thing, though, I definitely think that's a factor.
The problem is, I think, one what applies to a lot of minority groups: that (some) people in the majority group will see them not as an individual, but as an Ambassador for (Minority)kind. You see people saying thing like "lesbians are all man-haters, I know this because I knew this one lesbian who hated men".
And so people within the minority who want to more or less suck up to the majority start wanting everyone to be a perfect Ambassador, and want everyone to be "normal" under a definition that's often, unconsciously or not, discriminatory against various groups - those who aren't neurotypical, or aren't cis, or so forth, in order to be "acceptable" to the majority.
When really, the problem is with the people in the majority who would see people as Ambassadors rather than as individuals, and who hold the discriminatory mindsets that promote the concept that not being neurotypical or cis or whatever is a bad thing in the first place. And should our first priority be making those sorts of people happy and comfortable, rather than making sure that everyone in our community is welcomed and given a safe space? It should not.
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Post by sciatrix on Oct 30, 2010 13:26:39 GMT -5
Oh god, ageism. I actually got pissed off enough about that weird and stupid meme that teenagers can't know what their own sexuality is that I wrote a post about it on my blog yesterday. Or that teenagers can't distinguish a lasting orientation from a phase, or even that if someone turns out to be wrong--or their sexuality does shift--that that's somehow a bad thing and invalidates their previous identity.
You know, I really don't know how romantic orientation plays into the whole thing. I've encountered feeling that the "gold star" asexual is romantic (usually anything but homoromantic, in my experience) because that "proves" asexuals are just as easily able to love as the rest of us. I really dislike that one. But I've also seen some thought that good visibility asexuals are aromantic, because it's easier to understand than someone with a mismatched romantic orientation. Which also sucks. I tend to think that romantic orientation is one of those things you just can't win.
And yeah, totally, it's an ambassador effect kind of thing. There's also this pressure that you have to educate, you have to always be polite and rational and courteous while educating, and I think that this sort of thing definitely feeds into being "acceptable" to the majority.
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Post by you*hear*but*do*you*listen on Oct 30, 2010 13:49:51 GMT -5
My friend Eleanor and I are a great visibility team. Neither of us are actually "unassailable" or "gold-star", though E's only issue is that she's aromantic. Talking about romantic orientation can be really hit-and-miss in terms of whether being romantic is part of being a "gold star" asexual depends on who you're trying to convince; some people are going to say aromantics are the ones who "haven't met the right person" or are emotionally stunted, and some people are going to say romantics are automatically sexual because romance = friendship + sex (I hate that misconception; KILL IT WITH FIRE). However, regardless of what dumbasses think, both E and I very articulate and intelligent Smith College women, so together we like to take people's idea of a "gold star" asexual and smash it into tiny little bits. We're usually polite and rational, although I have been known to get pissed off at stupid misconceptions.
I know I'm quite the visibility crusader, but I hope I don't seem like I'm pressuring all asexuals to start educating the world at large about asexuality. I'm aware that there are people who feel like orientation is private, don't have time for visibility work, etc., but what I want is the freedom for any sort of asexual, "unassailable" or no, to do visibility work should he/she/zie want.
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Post by sciatrix on Nov 2, 2010 15:39:52 GMT -5
Which is an awesome strategy, but unfortunately only one which works if you have enough aces to tag-team people. Alas, that's not usually my experience, so I generally start dissecting assumptions. Sometimes I'm nice about it. Sometimes I'm not.
Eh. I think it's possible to say that personal decisions (like coming out, like choosing to educate) have a really positive effect for asexuality as a movement and a political slant to them, but I think it comes down to personal choice. I've never gotten the pressuring vibe from you, but I have occasionally felt it more generally within the community.
I'm still terrified by visibility work a lot of the time. I am easing into feeling more comfortable doing more offline visibility work, though, and I'm beginning to talk about asexuality more offline with people I know. (My Women's Studies class has been good for that.)
Mostly, though, my point with the pressure comment is that there's simultaneously some pressure to go out and educate and speak up and also some pressure to be as "gold star" as possible, especially if you do speak up. Which puts those of us who aren't gold enough at a wee bit of a double bind.
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Post by noelandvoid on Nov 3, 2010 18:29:36 GMT -5
It's so ridiculous that anyone should ever feel like they have to live up to such a standard in order to be a good representation of asexuality, but I have felt a subtle pressure, yes. It's stupid because no one ever feels like straight people all have to live up to anything other than "attracted to the opposite sex." Straight people can have all the hormones in the world or none at all, they can be mentally ill, physically ill, ugly, attractive... Anything, and no one will question them over anything pertaining to things like that. Grrrr.
I am definitely not gold star anything, but the funny thing is (And I am going to guess that a lot of ace people are the same way!) the things I have that could conceivably make someone question asexuality at large are made up for by things that help prove otherwise. XD
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Post by sciatrix on Nov 4, 2010 18:46:25 GMT -5
I am definitely not gold star anything, but the funny thing is (And I am going to guess that a lot of ace people are the same way!) the things I have that could conceivably make someone question asexuality at large are made up for by things that help prove otherwise. XD Oh, yeah. It's easy for me, for instance, to respond to things like accusations that I am somehow really repressed about my essential lesbianism. In the same way that almost no one is going to fit none of these, I think very few people fit all of them. For one thing, there's so many, and for another thing some of them contradict one another or are temporary in nature.
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